W F and J Barnes 26" Drill Press (2024)

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jljim

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  • Jun 29, 2018
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Newest addition to my O&O (Obscure & Obsolete) collection. I also have its older brother that I "acquired" a few year ago. This newer one is a little more robust, larger dia column and better design for the head and column bracing. I have never seen another with a vise built into the table ! The newer version has 8 down feed selections, the older only 4.

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SouthBendModel34

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Congratulations on this purchase! It looks to be "all there," which is, sadly, rather unusual

I cannot recall ever seeing a flat-belt era drill press thread on this forum which showed a table with the vise built in. Why didn't this feature become popular? Perhaps there is a patent?

What's the Morse Taper in the spindle?

JRR

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jljim

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Both this one and it's older brother have a 4 Morse taper spindle. I've looked at all the pictures I can find on the Internet and no built in vises. From underneath it all looks to be factory castings. The 2 drills were also sold by National Supply Company in Toledo,Ohio so they never strayed too far from home.

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cretedog

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Nice machine jljim. Bought a similar one some years back just for the clamping table. Searched the table manufacturer name and found out they were still in business. Called and had a nice conversation with the president- clamping tables were way before his time of course, but he had a bit of interesting history.

Regards, JM

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Peter S

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cretedog,

Thanks for the photos, just wondering - who made your machine? Over the years I have saved a few photos of your different drilling machines , always interesting to see your collection W F and J Barnes 26" Drill Press (11). I have to take care or I would also have several to choose from...

jljim,

Thanks for your photos too, any chance of a few with better resolution and ...well...just better? W F and J Barnes 26" Drill Press (12) Always good to see another Barnes, it would be great to see the power feed gearbox and overall views of the machine a bit better if possible. I see your machine doesn't have the usual big Barnes spindle lever on the RH side (the "hand brake" type). I wonder if they didn't fit it to the big sliding head machines?

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cretedog

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Peter S said:

cretedog,

Thanks for the photos, just wondering - who made your machine? Over the years I have saved a few photos of your different drilling machines , always interesting to see your collection W F and J Barnes 26" Drill Press (13). I have to take care or I would also have several to choose from...

I believe mine is a Barnes also Peter. Didn't want to say without remembering for sure. Will have to look next time I get out to that shop.

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jljim

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Took a few more pictures, used a better camera.

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jljim

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Some of the older sibling.

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jljim

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And a couple unrelated room mates.

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Peter S

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jljim,
Thanks very much for the added photos, I see these machines are multiplying in your workshop too! W F and J Barnes 26" Drill Press (28)

FYI, I came across a Henry & Wright here in NZ, would be interested to hear if you have had it running and what you thought of it.

https://www.practicalmachinist.com/...-wright-drill-press-unusual-belt-drive-320739

edit: I tried to attach a Royersford advert from the 1950's (similar to your machine) but when I "Go Advanced" I get an error page. Will try again tomorrow.

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Peter S

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jljim (Jim?),

I was wondering what size your other Barnes is?

I was looking through some old photos etc. and it seems (in a 1908 article) Barnes were offering the 8 feeds on 26 inch to 50 inch drills and 4 feeds on their 20 inch and 25 inch machines.

A 1906 patent seems to show all the features of your 26 inch drill i.e. the "pick feed" 4 speed system, the high/low range for the feeds, the enclosed backgear.

Another patent from 1883 shows the "hand brake" style manual feed lever, very much like your Royersford. I guess the patent had expired by the time your Royersford was built. I can't recall where this Royersford advert came from but it was apparently from the 1950's.

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jljim

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The older (or smaller) drill is only 11" to the column, so a 22" drill ? The patent sheets were very interesting. Do you have them in PDF format ? If so, I'll pm my email address to you. The Smith & Wright has patent dates of 1904 and 1905, but no numbers. It was sharing garage space with the old Rockford lathe that I have listed for sale when I picked them up.

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Peter S

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jljim,

I have quite a few pdf's which I can send, however you can find them on the Vintage Machinery website too. After clicking on the patent number, look for "pdf" in the lower RH corner of the page. You can also click on "Google Patents" and it also gives you the option of viewing, downloading or printing the patent.

W. F. & John Barnes Co. - Assigned Patents | VintageMachinery.org

There are other "Barnes" patents not listed on the page above, look for the pages on B.F. Barnes, Barnes Drill Co. etc for others.

You can also use Google Patents to search for patents by number, name etc. I have found a few others not listed on the Vintage Machinery web site, let me know if you want the patent numbers.

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jljim

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  • Jul 8, 2018
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Peter S, I did some research on the Vintage site, I'll try the patent search next. I need the practice anyway ! Thanks, Jim

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